My brain has issues with this kind of form. It prevents me from reading words in a fifo manner. I now need to backtrack, because the 'no' negates the word before.
FWIW this is exactly how you negate a verb in German. For example: "Ich rauche nicht " -> "I don't smoke" or "Ich brauche keinen Mantel" -> "I don't need a coat"
English |-n't| is also a negation that applies to what comes before. In fact I don't think you actually can put a verbal negation before the verb in English in ordinary/modern circumstances; only a few verbs can be directly negated, and if one of those isn't present, one is added (usually "do", this is called "do-support") ... and the negation goes after it.
"This is how you negate a verb" -> "This is not how you negate a verb" ('is' can be negated, the negation goes after)
"This confuses the duke" -> "This does not confuse the duke" ('confuses' wants do-support to negate it, and the negation goes after 'do'.)
Sometimes I have scripts that automatically assign ports starting from 30000. How would that work? Would I have to bind to port 0 multiple times until I randomly get a port in that range?
I'm not quite sure what a script assigning ports actually does, but if I need an app to bind a port in some port range, I just start binding ports starting from 30000 until it succeeds.
If it's in a script then that might be difficult, but a racy approximation could be to loop e.g. listening socat with different ports for finding the free port. (Or maybe: parse output of ss.) But if the port use is separate from the port binding, then it might still be busy once the time to rebind it comes.
I'm not sure how I'd do acceptance/E2E testing without the magic of port 0. As long as you have a way of capturing what port it ended up using (which most languages are able to out of the box more or less), parallelizing testing workloads becomes such a breeze without having to manage ports and all that jazz, just fire everything up with N parallism and let the OS figure out what the free ports are, pass the references down and stuff just works. Thanks Linux :)
> I'm not sure how I'd do acceptance/E2E testing without the magic of port 0.
Same as anything else, an explicit flag to achieve the same "just give me a port" functionality as this "magic number" does without resulting in the documented unpredictable behavior around a technically legitimate port number.
As the article points out, most if not all of the services exposed on port 0 seem to be accidental and likely resulted from people assuming this magic behavior applies everywhere instead of just to one specific API.
Yeah, obviously I'm a programmer so I'm well aware it's technically possible, it was a bit of an exaggeration to explain how much value I feel I get from it.
> most if not all of the services exposed on port 0 seem to be accidental
No program actually end up "exposed on port 0", if it's not supported it won't be able to create a listener on that port, AFAIK. Most yeah, all no. P2P software commonly leverage port 0, and other "discover<>connect" types of software. But I'd agree that it's most likely accidental if outside of those niches.
I have a feeling what sometimes :0 is interpreted as a 'first listening'. But Occam says what most of the time it's just 'DNAT dst port ANY to :80' or whatever, no magik.
https://web.archive.org/web/20261106234640/https://acid.vega...
> And asking for port 0 needs no privileges.
My brain has issues with this kind of form. It prevents me from reading words in a fifo manner. I now need to backtrack, because the 'no' negates the word before.
FWIW this is exactly how you negate a verb in German. For example: "Ich rauche nicht " -> "I don't smoke" or "Ich brauche keinen Mantel" -> "I don't need a coat"
English |-n't| is also a negation that applies to what comes before. In fact I don't think you actually can put a verbal negation before the verb in English in ordinary/modern circumstances; only a few verbs can be directly negated, and if one of those isn't present, one is added (usually "do", this is called "do-support") ... and the negation goes after it.
"This is how you negate a verb" -> "This is not how you negate a verb" ('is' can be negated, the negation goes after)
"This confuses the duke" -> "This does not confuse the duke" ('confuses' wants do-support to negate it, and the negation goes after 'do'.)
legit curious, if you read 'zero privileges' does it parse easier
It parses easier, but it's still doing extra work to negate the 'needs'.
doesn't need privileges > needs zero privileges > needs no privileges
"doesn't need any privileges" is more tokens :^)
I saw the URL and immediately thought it was about Acid Pro DAW or Vegas video editor is used to use back in the early 00’s.
[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50399587
Sometimes I have scripts that automatically assign ports starting from 30000. How would that work? Would I have to bind to port 0 multiple times until I randomly get a port in that range?
I’m not exactly sure if that’s the question, but the range can be set. Here’s the Linux solution: https://tldp.org/LDP/solrhe/Securing-Optimizing-Linux-RH-Edi... FreeBSD has net.inet.ip.portrange
That might not quite fit my use case. My AI-generated scripts probably won't modify system-level configuration files to change the port range
... do you not have a say in the matter?
I'm not quite sure what a script assigning ports actually does, but if I need an app to bind a port in some port range, I just start binding ports starting from 30000 until it succeeds.
If it's in a script then that might be difficult, but a racy approximation could be to loop e.g. listening socat with different ports for finding the free port. (Or maybe: parse output of ss.) But if the port use is separate from the port binding, then it might still be busy once the time to rebind it comes.
I'm not sure how I'd do acceptance/E2E testing without the magic of port 0. As long as you have a way of capturing what port it ended up using (which most languages are able to out of the box more or less), parallelizing testing workloads becomes such a breeze without having to manage ports and all that jazz, just fire everything up with N parallism and let the OS figure out what the free ports are, pass the references down and stuff just works. Thanks Linux :)
> I'm not sure how I'd do acceptance/E2E testing without the magic of port 0.
Same as anything else, an explicit flag to achieve the same "just give me a port" functionality as this "magic number" does without resulting in the documented unpredictable behavior around a technically legitimate port number.
As the article points out, most if not all of the services exposed on port 0 seem to be accidental and likely resulted from people assuming this magic behavior applies everywhere instead of just to one specific API.
> Same as anything else
Yeah, obviously I'm a programmer so I'm well aware it's technically possible, it was a bit of an exaggeration to explain how much value I feel I get from it.
> most if not all of the services exposed on port 0 seem to be accidental
No program actually end up "exposed on port 0", if it's not supported it won't be able to create a listener on that port, AFAIK. Most yeah, all no. P2P software commonly leverage port 0, and other "discover<>connect" types of software. But I'd agree that it's most likely accidental if outside of those niches.
And then there is OpenSSH...
Oh well.I have a feeling what sometimes :0 is interpreted as a 'first listening'. But Occam says what most of the time it's just 'DNAT dst port ANY to :80' or whatever, no magik.
Seems hugged?