Night Witches – all-female Soviet aviator regiment WW2

(en.wikipedia.org)

63 points | by gverrilla 4 days ago ago

19 comments

  • cl3misch 2 hours ago

    From the depths of hell in silence

    Cast their spells, explosive violence

    Russian night time flight perfected

    Flawless vision, undetected

    (Sabaton)

    • alecsm 2 hours ago

      That's the first thing that came to my mind after reading the title.

      It may seem a joke but you actually can learn history with Sabaton.

  • ksymph 19 minutes ago

    A beautiful animated short about the Night Witches (artistic, not educational): https://vimeo.com/224657277

  • derektank 3 hours ago

    In the US and the UK, members of the WAAC (Women’s Army Auxiliary Corps) and the WAAF (Women’s Auxiliary Air Force) numbered in the tens of thousands, where they served as switchboard operators, air traffic controllers, and deployed barrage balloons. They occasionally got close to combat, the UK’s Flying Nightingales who served as air-ambulance nurses, first flew into Normandy just a week after D-Day to evacuate servicemembers injured during the initial assault. Both countries also employed many female aviators as training and cargo pilots, but they were almost all civilian employees of the armed forces unlike members of the WAAC and WAAF.

  • msabalau 4 hours ago

    There is also a (very niche) TTRPG about the Night Witches by Jason Morningstar.

  • Stevvo an hour ago

    Meanwhile, the B-29 was under development in the US. Built almost entirely by women, men refused to fly it citing safety concerns.

    So Paul Tibbets, (who went on to drop Little Boy on Hiroshima) taught a crew of women to fly the aircraft.

    The logic being; if women can fly it safely, then surely men can too.

    • WalterBright 9 minutes ago

      Interestingly, "Flight of the Enola Gay" by Paul Tibbets does not mention this, though other narratives did.

      The B-29 did have a major problem with engine fires, due to poor cooling of the engines and magnesium parts. An early test flight of it had such a fire, killing the 11 man crew. This problem was never fully resolved, and the B-29s were pushed into combat with this problem. Having an engine fire somewhere over the Pacific must have been utterly terrifying.

      The B-29 also did not have hydraulic boost. It's a much bigger and heavier airplane than the B-17, which also did not have boost. The B-17, under emergency conditions, required a great deal of strength on the part of the pilots. My dad flew B-17s. He said that if 3 engines were out and only one outboard engine was running, it took all of a man's strength stepping on the rudder to keep the airplane straight. Even so, he could only keep it up for 10 minutes at a time, switching between pilot and copilot.

      WW2 airplanes were designed with a man's strength in mind. The P-51, for example, required a great deal of strength to control it at high speeds and in emergency conditions.

      Women pilots were used to ferry P-51s. Many were lost in crashes. My dad, who also flew P-51s, suspected that they ran into conditions where they weren't strong enough to control it.

      The Night Witches flew fighter planes that were half the weight of the P-51, making them well suited for female pilots.

      The advent of hydraulically boosted flight controls resolved this. Boeing lightened the "feel" forces on jet airliner controls to accommodate women pilots.

    • pjmlp an hour ago

      I think the logic was more like a ego thing, like it cannot be that they can do it and we not, as seen in many man first cultures.

  • HelloUsername 4 hours ago

    In the Apple TV series "Star City" the head of the KGB surveillance department is referred to as the "Night Witch"

    • gcanyon an hour ago

      Shout out for Star City (and For All Mankind of course). The first ten minutes of FAM hit me unexpectedly hard, and the overall science fiction of both series is awesome.

  • archerx 4 hours ago

    “An attack technique of the night bombers involved idling the engine near the target and gliding to the bomb-release point with only wind noise left to reveal their presence. Allegedly, German soldiers likened the sound to broomsticks and hence named the pilots "Night Witches".”

    That’s an interesting story behind the name.

  • cjs_ac 3 hours ago

    There's a pretty good depiction of them in David L. Robbins' Last Citadel.

  • gustavus 4 hours ago

    Sabaton, a swedish historical power metal band, also wrote a song about these women if you're into that kind of thing.

    https://www.sabaton.net/discography/heroes/night-witches/

  • stackghost an hour ago

    In one of the IL-2 Sturmovik games you could fly the Polikarpov Po-2. It's pretty fun because it can maneuver effectively at a speed below the stall speed of most German fighters, so it's pretty much impossible for them to "saddle up" on you for a tracking shot.

    As a result unless the AA batteries get you, or Fritz gets lucky lobbing a Mk 108 shell at you from long range, it's actually pretty safe and effective.

    • Onavo an hour ago

      Interesting, seems like the Soviets love low stall speed planes. The AN-2 was also famous for having a vertical descent speed slower than parachutes at full back elevator deflection.